Though it’s been public knowledge that Blink-182’s Tom DeLonge had his own sort of “mysteries of the universe” website, Strange Times, for some time now, no one really thought the now ex-member of the pop punk group believed all the stuff the site posted. Until now.

In a recent interview with Papermag, DeLonge said he’s both had contact with aliens and been the subject of U.S. government scrutiny. DeLonge says he’s sure “people wouldn’t believe me if I told them,” but he says he’s had his phone tapped, specifically around the time that he was working on, in his own words, a project with somebody who was, as DeLonge puts it:

“gathering 150 hours of top secret testimony specifically for Congressional hearings on government projects and the US secret space program. People from NASA, Rome, the Vatican, you name it, they’re all on there. The top 36 hours that summarized the best parts of all of that footage, I had it hidden in my house for a period of time, and during that time I was flying this person out along with somebody that was Wernher von Braun’s right-hand assistant. Wernher von Braun was a Nazi scientist that we brought over to build our Apollo rockets that got us to the moon, and on his deathbed he told this person a bunch of stuff, and I was flying them out to Los Angeles and we were taking certain meetings.”

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DeLonge said he knows his phones were tapped because his source would wake up every morning at 4 a.m., puke, fall down, and hear clicking and buzzing noises, something DeLonge says indicates mind-control experiments. DeLonge also says all this was happening while Blink-182 was on the cover of Rolling Stone, so he thinks “these guys, whoever was running this operation, were like, ‘What the fuck? How did this kid show up?’”

The whole piece is on Papermag’s site and is well worth a read, especially if you’re interested in spacecrafts that, according to DeLonge, have “magnetic slide systems” that “displace over 89 percent of the mass of the ship” while simultaneously “[ionizing] the engine.”